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from a distance. let me go to jim cavanaugh. thank you for joining us, as always. atf agents involved going in with protective vests on already. we've seen something of the operation eye visible here. >> chris, i think probably what happened -- we don't know. we'll find out in the next half hour or so certainly -- but when the superintendent of state police lifted the order to stay in your house, all the residents came out of their house and naturally you're cooped up, may not want to walk to the grocery store but you're going to come out in your driveway, garage, and likely dzhokhar was laying somewhere in the bushes, in the weeds, behind the car, in the back of a pickup truck and he was spotted. so, you know, then the call went to 911 -- >> i see what you mean. >> we need to go right now to whdh. >> i just saw in the center here them take a robot and put it in the back of a bomb squad vehicle. maybe they are transported it closer to that location. >> i'm being held back. i am about a block behind the location. you guys don't have it yet but we were rolling on our camera here when th
night and this morning is they are making it up as they go. i agree with jim. now that we have the lead individual, the older brother dead, the younger one has to make decisions. as an fbi hostage negotiator, this is the type of guy we would like to talk to. we contain him and isolate him from contact with the outside world and we negotiate and we help him identify reasons to live. that's what fbi negotiators and atf will be trying to do. if they can get him located in one place, time is somewhat on our side. it's unprecedented to shut a city down like this. it sets a terrible example for people in the future, but right now this is what we have to deal with. >> when i heard about the 7-11 and you hear about them with the mit police officer, why would you dru attention to yourself? they had to know that they were going to be pursued. is that tied to the fact and when i originally saw that video yesterday that was released and taken from the department store camera, they looked calm. they looked like anybody. they almost looked confident-cocky to me. there is the video to me. they are wal
. let's bring in retired atf special agent in charge, nbc news analyst jim cavanaugh. jim, it's, it's a changing situation. but certainly it is a dramatic scene. it almost looks like a war zone, streets empty, we don't know how many officers are on the scene. but the tension seems to be remarkably high. there's some thought that perhaps dzhokah tsarnaev is holed up and is being negotiated with at this point. >> alex, that's exactly right. you know when you're in command of a situation like this, i always like to break it down to the main things that handle the main crisis points and address those. and there's three interlocking rings here that are affecting boston and the citizens. and that's what the commanders have got to focus on. one is the standoff with dzhokhar, we can talk about how that interlocks and what's going on there. the second is, the placement of another pressure cooker device in the city that they've located. and the question of are there more. and then the third interlocking circle is, whether or not there's these two accomplices, as pete williams described and ma
're hearing about a killer. >> jim walsh, you're with us on the phone there? i'm sorry, you're with us? you have your camera up? can you understand us? >> yes, i can hear you. >> all right, greg, you understand -- you hear the conversation we're having right now trying to put together the picture of this. try to put into context your experience. >> let me just say this. i want to underline what you've said so far. i think it's important. the analogy i would make is if these guys were irish americans, or from ireland originally, we might be inclined to jump to think it's the ira or terrorism associated with northern ireland. and i think it would be a mistake to leap to that conclusion. i think you're right to say the chechen angle may be part of it. it may be something else. it may be a fully domestic issue that animates them or has motivated them. so i think we need to be cautious about this. and i think you're right to say that. >> we were also talking, just before you came back up, how this is going to end. and the police were worried this is sort of like a trapped animal. he could try to
and come along with him. in a relationship like this, and jim can talk about the d.c. sniper, but you usually have an older or dominant individual and a younger one who's a follower. that could very well be the case with these two brothers also. >> clint, they're more likely to be able to i guess the person who's trying to do the influence can do so if they're in more of a vacuum. not being reached out to by other family members. they were living in a very isolated manner on their own. >> what bothers me is they come to this country as refugees. they claim that status. and then turn and ause that against us. it's always that the very best nature, the very best that's in us, in the united states, is turned around and used, weapon, against us, by those who would do us harm. >> it's interesting, you talk about that. the family was granted legal permanent residence march of 2007, became naturalized citi n citizens on the anniversary of 9/11 just last year. there certainly seems to be irony in that. with regard to the potential bombs, explosive devices that are planted around boston, is t
clint? >> number one, i think as jim and i have discussed, the older brother was probably the primary influence. he influenced his younger brother. this 19-year-old man now has lost that influence. he's lost that decision-making ability on the part of his older brother, so he's on his own. look, for all we know right now, three different things. he's either hiding in one of these houses, he's under a house and maybe he's bled to death because he got shot in the ch e shootout, too, or he was able to escape. if law enforcement closes that net tighter, they get through every house and every apartment and he's not there, that's going to be a new time to consider what we're doing. did we miss him? did he get away? and we also have to consider motive on this which is most important, and, you know, sometimes we look at the simplest motive and it makes no sense to us because it's almost chaotic. and it may be that these two young men were simply trying in their own terrible way to bring attention to the chechnyan, vis-a-vis the timmy mcveigh type who said collateral damage. these are the thi
with these two, seems to be it happened here. >> i want to bring in jim walsh now. he's a professor at m.i.t. you know, your office, jim, is right next to where this went down last night as we were watching building 32 at that time, we had absolutely no idea -- no one had any idea that this would be linked to the two brothers of the boston marathon bombing. >>> what is it like on campus right now? it must have been a real shock. >> well, certainly, to put this into some context, i went to bed last night having learned from m.i.t. that a person who works where i work, was slain, and then i woke up this morning, one street over from watertown, massachusetts, the middle class suburb next to cambridge, across the river from boston, to the sound of helicopters and sirens and instructions to keep our doors locked. i have since traveled -- i'm not on campus now, i'm at a studio here in watertown, which is ground zero for the police outside. there are more than a dozen satellite trucks. as i was pulling up, they stopped my car. i let them do their business. they were going house-by-house, checking the sm
and expert jim walsh. good to have you here. >> good to be with you. >> first of all, have you ever seen anything like this in a major metropolitan city in america? >> first of all, i've never seen anything like it at all. and in particular how it is touching various parts of my life. yesterday i taught my class at m.i.t. from 1:00 to 3:00, you know, hung out at my office, made my way home, only to see on the news that two blocks from my office a person who workeds for the same place i do, m.i.t., had been assassinated. i woke up this morning, to the sound of helicopters. i live -- i live on the watertown border. i woke up, my phone is ringing off the hook, i drive to watertown. blocks from where a reporter is, that's where my studio is. and streets are blocked off. the streets are empty. there were national guard, tactical police, state police, lots of media satellite trucks, i go into the studio like i always do and lock the door, right, because we're all on lockdown now. and then began to talk to your colleagues and then i received a phone call from my daughter. and my daughter who gr
're also learning a lot more about this 19-year-old suspect who is still at large. cnn's jim acosta has been keeping track of what his relatives, other acquaintances are saying, as well as some of the things that we're learning about this 19-year-old, who apparently, what he said about himself on social media. jim, tell our viewers what you're learning. >> wolf, the profile that's emerging of this suspect, a young man who is sort of a mystery. he's described by his classmates, even some relatives as a friendly student athlete, but one relative, and even the suspect's activities on social media suggest he may have become more radical leading up to the bombing. the manhunt may be for someone who is just 19 years old, but authorities warn the boston bombing suspect who is still on the run, believed to be wearing the white baseball cap in the surveillance video released by the fbi, who looks even more boyish in this updated photo, should be considered armed and dangerous. relatives who haven't been in touch with him can only guess about his motives since he moved to the u.s. over a decade a
're negotiating with him or make contact with him or just simply trying to wait him out? >> as jim kavanagh said, there is a standard procedure to deal with a situation like tat and you look at it in terms of a hostage situation. ultimately and ideally, they want to bring this person out alive. they want to minimize any potential loss of life. so, if they have isolated him in a place where they have high confidence that they have a secure perimeter, then they'll take as long as necessary to try to get him to surrender, if, in fact, that's the case right now. >> in about seven minutes the president is going to get a direct briefing from robert mueller, they're both headed to the white house in less than ten minutes. i want to bring in cliff van zandt former fbi profiler. clint, you've been hearing everything. my apologies there. you have been hearing everything about learning more and more little bit about who these brothers are. what kind of profile would you be putting together right now? >> well, number one, we all have to admit it is amazing to get this much information this quickly. you look
away with it. they were not expecting this to happen within a couple of days. >> final question, jim, for the moment. the individual, the youngest brother, dzhokhar, he, as we know, is on the loose. the police believe that they have him in a contained area. how does this end? i mean, obviously he's a font of information alive, but how does it end? >> well, he could be dead. you know, there's a report there was blood found and he may have been wounded in the huge shootout with the police, 200 rounds are fired. he could have been wounded and he could be dead under one of those houses or in garage back there. so he could have bled out. that's one possibility. he could have killed himself is another possibility. he could be hiding there with a bomb strapped on him that he may detonate when the agents and detectives and police surround him. or he may surrender. so that's -- or try to get through to cordon. that's about his options right there, and that's about how it will play out. we'll see in the ensuing hours. you know, we knew when the pictures were put out that before the sun rose at
you go, how does it happen? >> jim we are on a little bit of a delay but the people being evacuated and we have seen a lot of families. >> is there a place, a bus they are getting on? where is their safe place that they are being evacuated from their home? >> you know, we are seeing a lot of people just walk the cars. there is one gentleman across the street loading his car with blank et cetera, but we have not seen any large scale way of transporting them from the scene. we have certainly not seen that. we have seen people walking down the street to other vehicles. i am trying to take a look down the street. i am not seeing anything that would -- anything out of the ordinary. >> you have to wonder. they are being advised not to the obvious streets. you have to feel for these families now. >> in the immediate area. friends, family. there is some which is understandable with an event like this. being through the riots in los angeles, i can remember the confusion among people, you know, living in the community. you don't know what to do. and looks like t
, jim. >> we can go a couple of different directions here, we can talk about the man hunt where it is and how it's dwell developing or the geopolitical, what are you most interested in? >> in the first hand, the law enforcement will peck up the known suspect, possible third man involved hopefully without further loss of life. they're obviously extremely dangerous, armed with both firearms as well as possibly bombs. the chechen connection is very interesting. i'm sure right now they're on the phone with the russians and what they have with this family or their connection. are they being mentored or encouraged by terrorists in the country? the russians have had a terrible time with the chechens over the years, but the march with the double suicide bombing on the moscow subway killed 40 people. in november 2009 there was another train bombing that killed 26. so this has been a very dangerous, islamic region, not just chechnya, but also the north caucasus countries. i should also add that we have a lot of these people in both afghanistan and pakistan, foreign fighters and the cheche
or it was something else that caused them to snap. >> [ inaudible ]? >> stephanie: jim is just throwing something out. >> i don't blame the holocaust on christianity. it was christians who stopped the holocausts. and i have met many muslims who are ashamed of this. >> stephanie: we're reading again, david, as you have been reporting all morning, officials are worried that suspects may have hidden other explosive de devices. and he is still described as on the run. and things are still very very tense in boston. >> yeah, still on the run, and strong suspicions that he might have a suicide vest or belt on. so when the time comes maybe he tries to take out as many people as possible. and that's why police are saying stay inside, there is no public transportation, but just to be careful, and also because this kid -- who the suspect that survived was a student of umass dartmouth, so umass dartmouth is closed today. they are asking for any help -- granted this kid's photo has been splashed all over the place for the last 24 hours, so there shouldn't be anybody more recognizable than
olympics bombing investigations. good morning to you. >> reporter: hello. this is jim, how are you? >> thank you for joining us. big issue this morning. can you or how do you begin to take the suspect alive? you do. >> boston should feel good. the coward number two is probably barricaded there in his own home. the third person that was apprehended could be the relative that they were talking about that might have made some threats. the key issue with the bar is for the tactical commander is whitehead number two alone or is he there with another person. that's what you will want to find out. you're setting up the perimeter for the tactical teams. i've been watching a live feed it's state police, s.w.a.t., police srt which is atf s.w.a.t. and all of these team, you have the city police s.w.a.t., all of these teams have the tactical agents with the armored vehicle and they're all equipped similarly,
a jim demint exit at exit security system as well as economic conditions is a good thing. a variety of economic legislation in this are good on balance. >> i want america to win. >> me too. craig huey about how the u.s. is not using immigration policy effectively and as many other countries are to improve economic growth. what countries did you see as doing a good job? numbers, look at the it's in my written testimony, under core visas are for economic reasons at the moment. given the paramount need for economic growth, that cuts across our ability to deal with all our policy challenges, those will all be easier with faster economic growth. focusing on that makes more sense. other countries, we have charts in the written testimony, have a high percentage. other countries that have made reforms recently like the united kingdom looking to do this. if you look at the countries that are struggling right now and likely to fail, dejapan. europe, the exception is germany, which has undertaken a particular percentage of turkish labor. we have to recognize economic reality and adjust our pol
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